Posts by Island Man

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How to Irritate JWs: The Catholic Way

by Hernandez in

what's the greatest advantage in becoming a roman catholic after leaving the jehovah's witnesses some 17 years ago?

why, it's the way it totally irritates people and really pushes their buttons...that is, if you are one of the unfortunate jehovah's witnesses who happens across my door during field service.

i have developed several techniques to make it very frustrating to the unwary witness who hopes to make headway at my house.

Island Man

You can also try this: Ask them what religion they belonged to before becoming a JW. There's a good chance that one of them was a Catholic. When they say they were Catholic you just say: "So that means you're an apostate and I have no dealings with apostates!" then you close the door and leave.

Alternatively, you can take the same platitudes and rationalizations that JWs use to excuse Watchtower's errors and injustices (imperfect men taking the lead, the light gets brighter, that was in the past, wait on Jehovah (or "the LORD"), etc) and apply them to your own church to justify remaining in your own church despite its errors. Just change the wording slightly to avoid suspicion that you're mocking them. Give them a taste of their own medicine.

Another thing you can do is ask them for advise on how you can help your friend escape the clutches of some obscure cult. Just make up a name for the cult - preferably a name that is not the name of an existing cult, so that the JW will find nothing online if they researched it. (It's a very obscure cult) Then you describe the cult to them making sure to mention characteristics that are very similar to JWs. For example you can say that the cult:

~ Teaches that they are the restored true church and only they are true chritians and it labels all other professed chrisitians as being part of "churchianity".

~ Teaches that the cult's leadership council was divinely appointed by Jesus in the year 1939 to teach true christianity. They are the only channel of instruction that God is using today. Members must trust the leaders and accept their teachings to have God's approval. Persons must serve God in association with their group to have any valid hope of surviving the end of the world.

~ Forbids invasive gynecological exams citing the command to "abstain from fornication" mentioned at Acts 15:28,29. As a result female members refuse to get pap smears and male members refuse digital (with the finger) prostate exams. The result is that the death rate from cervical cancer and prostate cancer is higher than average, among members.

~ Teaches members to not have friendship or close association with non-members because they will corrupt them spiritually.

~ Shuns those who resign from the cult - including their own family. Shunning causes some to commit suicide because they find themselves all alone since they never cultivated friendships with people outside the group.

~ Teaches that the end of the world is coming soon and only members of the cult will survive. Because of this the cult discourages university education and many members forego getting a good education and end up struggling financially later in life.

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2016 annual meeting

by obarac in

just a few minutes till the start ..... we hope for a news from absalom and wifibandit very soon.. wifibandit, any tread on reddit for am?.

also there were some info about live stream.

any news about that..

Island Man

So the new songbook that was released just a couple years ago is now to be discarded. What a waste of dedicated fund$!

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Counting time

by Emma in

i may not have put this in the correct spot, but i do think it's scandalous the way time gets counted now.

i've seen a cart at the edge of our farmer's market, never anyone close enough to talk.

yesterday was a drizzly day and there were two carts set up, covered in plastic, "witnessing" on their own.

Island Man

Counting time period, is ridiculous. It fosters and encourages a host of unchristian attitudes.

~ The attitude of making time instead of making disciples (this attitude seen especially in pioneers).

~ The attitude of quantifying and comparing the sacrifice and spirituality of individuals based on the number of hours they do. This contradicts the principle Jesus taught by the story of the widow's mite. Jesus' showed that it is the subjective personal effort that one puts into their acts of devotion that counts, and not objective measurable quantities.

~ The attitude of comparing oneself to others. Because time can easily be measured it becomes very easy to measure your time against another persons or against the pioneer time threshhold. This contradicts the scripture that says not to compare yourself with others but with yourself.

~ The attitude of objectifying the persons they preach to. Because spirituality, social standing and fitness to move up the theocorporate ladder are all determined in large part by average monthly output of preaching hours, many JWs treat the preaching work as a business to be profited from where making cash equals making hours. In this mindset, the people they preach to are treated as resources to be exploited for personal gain. Ever wonder why JWs call the person they're studying with, a bible study instead of a bible student? It's because they see the person as a bible study that they get to record on their field service slip. They treat people as 'study objects' and 'preaching hours objects', just as some selfish perverts treat women as sex objects.

One time I was riding home from a meeting with a group of JWs and they were discussing how best they can pair up to do their various return visits and bible studies. One practically optimal scenario involved 3 of them going on a bible study. As soon as the thought came up it was quickly dismissed with disappointment because "oh but we wouldn't be able to count the time".

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What would be the perfect song to introduce a JW comedy sketch?

by usualusername1 in

jw
friends

i have no idea.... .

any ideas will help.... .

Island Man

Or you can open with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yraW8rzm1E

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What would be the perfect song to introduce a JW comedy sketch?

by usualusername1 in

jw
friends

i have no idea.... .

any ideas will help.... .

Island Man

Stiff necked fools - Bob Marley

You only need the first 50 seconds. "... yes you have got the wrong interpretation mixed up with vain imagination..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv4BtS5c1C0

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ls homosexuality really normal?

by atomant in

l know animals do it but their animals.they dont live by a moral code.the thought of 2 men going for it is not normal.what are your thoughts?.

Island Man

It depends on what you mean by normal.

If by normal you mean what is typical or most common, then no, it's not normal. If by normal you mean occurring naturally then yes it is normal.

Tell me why homosexuality is not moral.

Is it because homosexual unions are unable to produce offspring? If this is what makes it immoral then to be consistent and impartial you'd also have to condemn as immoral, any kind of heterosexual intercourse between married individuals where one or both are sterile. You'd have to say that only sexual intercourse that can result in conception is moral. Is that your position? If not, why not?

I'm yet to hear a rational argument for why homosexuality is immoral, that does not employ fallacious reasoning and or does not surrender to blind obedience to religious texts that condemn homosexuality without giving rational, sound reasons for why it is wrong.

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How Dangerous are Blood Transfusions really?

by TheWonderofYou in

this is a report about the successful implementation of the patientbloodmanagent in germany and prof. zacharowski as well as the business trip of his life with shocking facts about transfusions in his bag.. http://screenart.tv/portfolio/gefaehrliche-bluttransfusionen.

this year 2016 president obama and vice biden awarded german physicians prof. kai zacharowski with humanitarian award for patient safety.

the patient safety movement foundation set the goal to massively reduce the number of preventable deaths of hospital patients worldwide by 2020.

Island Man

Blood transfusions are less dangerous than the medical conditions they mitigate. This why the JW arguments about risks associated with blood, are utterly brainless. They're as brainless as someone refusing to perform the Heimlich maneuver on a person choking to death, because of the relatively small risk of organ damage posed by the procedure.

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Any Kiwis Here?

by Wild_Thing in

jw
friends

i'm wondering if there are any here that are from new zealand or currently live there.

i'm going to be staying there for a month in july 2017 ... location to be determined.

i would love to have someone i can ask questions while i am in the planning stages.

Island Man

I'm not a Kiwi but I would advise that you wear sunscreen when going outdoors. The hole in the ozone layer at the south pole is wide enough to expose parts of New Zealand at times.

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"Why Did JWs Ignore Princes Drug Additctions?" by Barbara Anderson

by AndersonsInfo in

over a month ago, the associated press in minneapolis reported that counterfeit pills were found at prince’s home.

some contained powerful opioid fentanyl, a synthetic drug 50 times stronger than heroin found in dozens of pills.

these and other mislabeled drugs were found in luggage belonging to the late music star.

Island Man

"I don't know the WTBTS official policy on prescription drug abuse."

Abuse of drugs is a disfellowshipping offence. It does not matter if the drugs are prescription or illegal. What matters is whether or not abuse of the drugs has harmful effects on the body. It would especially be the case when such abuse is potentially life-threatening as was the case with Prince. This is based on their interpretation of the scripture in Corinthians that talks about avoiding every defilement of flesh and spirit; and their position on showing respect for life.

The elders were clearly not following the rule book in the way they handled Prince. I think its a case of them not wanting to bite the hand that feed$ their congregation and/or Watchtower. It is very clear that in this hypocritical organization, wealthy and famous JWs are treated differently from rank and file JWs.

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Talking to the Mormons, then the JWs

by Giles Gray in

i have been very lucky in the past month or so.

i have had both the mormons and the jws call on me.. .

the mormons called first.

Island Man

Nice conversation. It would be good if you can secretly record the conversation, maybe with a smart phone, not necessarily so that you can upload the audio online - because I know that publishing such secret recordings might be illegal in some areas - but so that you can give a more detailed, virtually word-for-word transcript of the conversation, without being confined by the limitations of human memory.